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Dec. 14th, 2011 06:02 amSo I got asked if I really liked infosec
This made me think - a guy would have never been asked that question
Which made me think back to BSidesLV where a goon was asking me stuff, and i mentioned i was a D&D gamer, and he replied that meant I'd fit in fine - like I was arm candy
And all the quips at HOPE, DEFCON, etc. that made me feel i needed to justify my presence
reality begets expectations, as much as it is on occasion nice to be treated nicely b/c i am a girl, i'd rather be treated equally
i'm not talking quotas, i'm talking speak with me the same way you would a guy about guy things
unless you are hitting on me i guess
At work there aren't many girls, in the tech side of the house
Side note:
http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/11/nerds-and-male-privilege/#more-914
http://skepchick.org/2011/12/sacrificing-privilege/
Updates:
Clarifications from twitter argument
I don't object to people making visual / sexual decisions
(she's hot, i'd bang that)
because i do tat too (he's hot)
I don't object to people having opinions about clothes influencing their opinion of someone (show up at an interview at a formal corporation in jeans versus suit)
The issue is when you automatically have a DIFFERENT valuation of a person based on gender
i.e.
attending a gaming convention, dressed in jeans and a tshirt
if you think, for guy or girl, hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)
fine
if you think girl: arm candy guy: hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)
that's where we have the problem
people filtering by gender FIRST
yes there are less girls in IT
no i don't mind the sexist humor
i mind when the customer keeps asking for a TECH after i explain i am a windows admin and would be happy to help
UPDATE 2
"dressing like that is asking for it" gets into RAPE culture
http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-mens-magazine-and-a-rapist
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html
This made me think - a guy would have never been asked that question
Which made me think back to BSidesLV where a goon was asking me stuff, and i mentioned i was a D&D gamer, and he replied that meant I'd fit in fine - like I was arm candy
And all the quips at HOPE, DEFCON, etc. that made me feel i needed to justify my presence
reality begets expectations, as much as it is on occasion nice to be treated nicely b/c i am a girl, i'd rather be treated equally
i'm not talking quotas, i'm talking speak with me the same way you would a guy about guy things
unless you are hitting on me i guess
At work there aren't many girls, in the tech side of the house
Side note:
http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/11/nerds-and-male-privilege/#more-914
http://skepchick.org/2011/12/sacrificing-privilege/
Updates:
Clarifications from twitter argument
I don't object to people making visual / sexual decisions
(she's hot, i'd bang that)
because i do tat too (he's hot)
I don't object to people having opinions about clothes influencing their opinion of someone (show up at an interview at a formal corporation in jeans versus suit)
The issue is when you automatically have a DIFFERENT valuation of a person based on gender
i.e.
attending a gaming convention, dressed in jeans and a tshirt
if you think, for guy or girl, hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)
fine
if you think girl: arm candy guy: hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)
that's where we have the problem
people filtering by gender FIRST
yes there are less girls in IT
no i don't mind the sexist humor
i mind when the customer keeps asking for a TECH after i explain i am a windows admin and would be happy to help
UPDATE 2
"dressing like that is asking for it" gets into RAPE culture
http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-mens-magazine-and-a-rapist
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html