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amazonvDRAFT, WIP
Goals
One:
Attempt to explain (White) male privilege in such a way i don't offend and actually make people acknowledge it's possible. it is not a sin of commission, but omission.
Two:
Use research to show how this marginalizes / totem / fetish / objectifies women resulting a hostile workplace/education system, hence less girls in IT
Three:
now that we know about schema and self rationalization
how can we use the same idea to encourage users to be more secure
under the idea that they are insure because they don't think it's a real problem
(trying to make it relevant? i could ditch 3)
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Why are there no women in IT?
-unintentional hostile workplace
Wait unintentional?
Male Privilege - you don't realize you have it, and are making women uncomfortable
This is not all men, but is a majority
This is not conscious or on purpose, but just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening/real - after this perhaps take a good look and listen around your work.
------------------------
exhausted w/ arguing pervasiveness w/out resistance despite being "known bad" becomes "normal" & thus perpetuates the action in the majority
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52% of women in the STEM fields—Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths—switch industries due to the hostile, macho cultures and isolation they face in STEM
QUOTE http://rachelappel.com/stats-data-and-answers-as-to-why-there-are-so-few-women-in-technology-fields
NEED TO LOCATE STATS ON MALE LEAVING, AND WOMEN IN OTHER FIELDS
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QUOTE - https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/faq-what-is-male-privilege/
Before discussing “male privilege” it is first important to define what privilege means in an anti-oppression setting. Privilege, at its core, is the advantages that people benefit from based solely on their social status. It is a status that is conferred by society to certain groups, not seized by individuals, which is why it can be difficult sometimes to see one’s own privilege.
In a nutshell:
Privilege is: About how society accommodates you. It’s about advantages you have that you think are normal. It’s about you being normal, and others being the deviation from normal. It’s about fate dealing from the bottom of the deck on your behalf.
------------------------
QUOTE http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-02-19_524
Privilege is about not thinking about how your actions and opinions don’t give non-privileged people equal weight to those of privileged groups. Even in cases, like this one, where the issue is one that primarily affects the non-privileged group.
------------------------
this doesn't mean men's lives are perfect with no unfair things:
military conscription, lack of white male scholarships, expectations to provide financially for the family, bottle their emotions
------------------------
-yes there is sexism against males, the existence of one kind of evil does not justify or balance another, both should be removed
-------------------------
QUOTE http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/
Pointing out that men are privileged in no way denies that bad things happen to men. Being privileged does not mean men are given everything in life for free; being privileged does not mean that men do not work hard, do not suffer. In many cases – from a boy being bullied in school, to a soldier dying in war – the sexist society that maintains male privilege also does great harm to boys and men.
In the end, however, it is men and not women who make the most money; men and not women who dominate the government and the corporate boards; men and not women who dominate virtually all of the most powerful positions of society. And it is women and not men who suffer the most from intimate violence and rape; who are the most likely to be poor; who are, on the whole, given the short end of patriarchy’s stick.
-----------------------
Everyone is biased
I am biased as a white female living in the US
There are exceptions to every "rule" but the existence of exceptions does not mean there is a larger majority truth
------------------------
So, I show up to a hacking event (BSIDESLV), in a chainmaille bikini
I get politely approached and basically questioned as if I am con-wife / arm candy
Yes I am dressed in a hot / nerdy way
Why does being hot/nerdy prevent me from being at an event for the event?
“because so many gold diggers show”
"because you were dressed like arm candy"
When you see an attractive man do you assume he will not be intelligent?
OK, let's just let the whole women as objects misogyny go...
-----------------------------------------
So I show up to a hacking event, in jeans and a t-shirt (HOPE, DEFCON)
I get asked who I am there with.
Or, the man I am speaking with gets the technical questions addressed to him. He is my date, he is the non technical con-boy. He must explain this to everyone we speak with, hacking questions go to HER.
I am not dressed sexy, yet I am still a female first.
-------------------------------------------
"It is the hacking cons! There are not enough females. We don't know how to behave!"
Fine.
I go to purchase my first new car, my fiance is there in order to drive the rental to be returned. i am the one who came for the test drive. I have to repeatedly ask them to speak with me. Their attention, information, conversation, and questions are posed AT HIM. I am paying, I am signing the paperwork, I researched and test drove this car!
-------------------------------------------
psychological schema - a rule of thumb your brain uses to process the world, makes things easier but, is this something you have systematically proven by talking to women at hacking events or is it anecdotal, things you have heard or seen one or two of and then had source amnesia?
------------------------------------------
Comparatively, a guy shows up to a hacking event
dressed goth, jeans t-shirt, suit tie, punk, leather...
you might make inferences about that man
"slacker kid" "the man" "fed" "straight" "gay"
but you don't assume he isn't there for the con
isn't anyone seeing the difference?
you don't think "oh that guy is attractive, he must be dumb" but it is ok to assume a hot girl will not be intelligent?
------------------------------------------
Issue: (white) men get to stand individually
their actions don't affect the schema held for their race or gender
They do not receive white or male as a descriptor because it is assumed being white and male are the default
My accomplishments are insulted "that's amazing for a girl" "that's hot for a girl"
I gain the modifier "FEMALE" to my nerdiness, the my geekiness, to my hacking interest, to working in IT as a system administrator.
The need to comment: "I've never met a girl DBA before" "I've never met a competent female admin before" "when are you going to get married, have babies and leave us" must you call me out for being female? Is that a required modifier?
Would you call me out for being a different race?
"That's impressive for a black man"?
No, but i bet you have heard that.
you see me as dumber automatically, i fight to prove i am just as smart and i am lauded for being a smart girl, not smart, a smart girl, as opposed to the new guy who gets to prove his stupidity and starts with no modifier
every time you tell me "wow you knew that" in s shocked voice, it hurts
because you assume the boys knew it
I pickup the phone and customers want to talk to a tech when I've already introduced myself as windows admin, what they mean is they wish to speak to a male.
Studies show consistently I will receive less pay at work, and I have to prove myself competent instead of the assumption i am competent affording myself the opportunity to prove i am exceptional.
That is called a hostile workplace
it's not overt
it's not intentional
it's systematic "normal"
and i think it leads many females to succumb to the stress, pressure, and leave
the failure of one of us is held against us all
--------------------------
QUOTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
Stereotype threat is the experience of anxiety or concern in a situation where a person has the potential to confirm a negative stereotype about their social group.[1] First described by social psychologist Claude Steele and his colleagues, stereotype threat has been shown to reduce the performance of individuals who belong to negatively stereotyped groups.
-------------------------
QUOTE http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rethinking_Best_Practices_Talk_at_JavaOne
During a talk called "Rethinking Best Practices in Java EE 6" at JavaOne 2011, speaker Adam Bien showed a slide titled "Explain to an alien" (i.e. explain your project to someone who doesn't understand any of the context). He said "My first version of this was 'Explain it to a woman' but I got lots of criticism at the conferences (big laugh from the audience) and one talk was almost cancelled.. (more laughing) So I think “Explain it to an alien" is better.”
A female audience member asked him in the Q&A to apologize for the joke, and he did, but added "I was thinking of people who don't understand IT... My wife doesn't understand IT." In person and on Google+, male audience members complained to the woman who asked for the apology that she should "relax" and had made them "supremely uncomfortable."
-------------------------
I consider myself below average geek and nerd skill set, i can't quote star wars - but i have watched it many times, i can't build a character from memory of rules, but i can build one
yet I am lauded for being "good for a girl" "woah girl geek" - if i were male i would be shunned as not a true geek
I'm an object representing female geek
I am not me
It hurts me, it's insulting
in a nerd/geek/it culture where individualism is praised and lauded
--------------------------
i don't care if you think i am hot, sexy, smart
i care what those qualifiers, in you brain, modify me as to you because of my gender
-1 intelligence
-1 competent
-likely to want to spend time with family and not put in 100% at work
---------------------------------
by thinking before you act or talk, is the phrase "for a woman" in there - rethink it, and encouraging others to do the same
could we push less females out of technical majors
push less girls out of technical jobs
by making it comfortable to be there
Goals
One:
Attempt to explain (White) male privilege in such a way i don't offend and actually make people acknowledge it's possible. it is not a sin of commission, but omission.
Two:
Use research to show how this marginalizes / totem / fetish / objectifies women resulting a hostile workplace/education system, hence less girls in IT
Three:
now that we know about schema and self rationalization
how can we use the same idea to encourage users to be more secure
under the idea that they are insure because they don't think it's a real problem
(trying to make it relevant? i could ditch 3)
------------------------
Why are there no women in IT?
-unintentional hostile workplace
Wait unintentional?
Male Privilege - you don't realize you have it, and are making women uncomfortable
This is not all men, but is a majority
This is not conscious or on purpose, but just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening/real - after this perhaps take a good look and listen around your work.
------------------------
exhausted w/ arguing pervasiveness w/out resistance despite being "known bad" becomes "normal" & thus perpetuates the action in the majority
------------------------
52% of women in the STEM fields—Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths—switch industries due to the hostile, macho cultures and isolation they face in STEM
QUOTE http://rachelappel.com/stats-data-and-answers-as-to-why-there-are-so-few-women-in-technology-fields
NEED TO LOCATE STATS ON MALE LEAVING, AND WOMEN IN OTHER FIELDS
------------------------
QUOTE - https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/faq-what-is-male-privilege/
Before discussing “male privilege” it is first important to define what privilege means in an anti-oppression setting. Privilege, at its core, is the advantages that people benefit from based solely on their social status. It is a status that is conferred by society to certain groups, not seized by individuals, which is why it can be difficult sometimes to see one’s own privilege.
In a nutshell:
Privilege is: About how society accommodates you. It’s about advantages you have that you think are normal. It’s about you being normal, and others being the deviation from normal. It’s about fate dealing from the bottom of the deck on your behalf.
------------------------
QUOTE http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-02-19_524
Privilege is about not thinking about how your actions and opinions don’t give non-privileged people equal weight to those of privileged groups. Even in cases, like this one, where the issue is one that primarily affects the non-privileged group.
------------------------
this doesn't mean men's lives are perfect with no unfair things:
military conscription, lack of white male scholarships, expectations to provide financially for the family, bottle their emotions
------------------------
-yes there is sexism against males, the existence of one kind of evil does not justify or balance another, both should be removed
-------------------------
QUOTE http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/
Pointing out that men are privileged in no way denies that bad things happen to men. Being privileged does not mean men are given everything in life for free; being privileged does not mean that men do not work hard, do not suffer. In many cases – from a boy being bullied in school, to a soldier dying in war – the sexist society that maintains male privilege also does great harm to boys and men.
In the end, however, it is men and not women who make the most money; men and not women who dominate the government and the corporate boards; men and not women who dominate virtually all of the most powerful positions of society. And it is women and not men who suffer the most from intimate violence and rape; who are the most likely to be poor; who are, on the whole, given the short end of patriarchy’s stick.
-----------------------
Everyone is biased
I am biased as a white female living in the US
There are exceptions to every "rule" but the existence of exceptions does not mean there is a larger majority truth
------------------------
So, I show up to a hacking event (BSIDESLV), in a chainmaille bikini
I get politely approached and basically questioned as if I am con-wife / arm candy
Yes I am dressed in a hot / nerdy way
Why does being hot/nerdy prevent me from being at an event for the event?
“because so many gold diggers show”
"because you were dressed like arm candy"
When you see an attractive man do you assume he will not be intelligent?
OK, let's just let the whole women as objects misogyny go...
-----------------------------------------
So I show up to a hacking event, in jeans and a t-shirt (HOPE, DEFCON)
I get asked who I am there with.
Or, the man I am speaking with gets the technical questions addressed to him. He is my date, he is the non technical con-boy. He must explain this to everyone we speak with, hacking questions go to HER.
I am not dressed sexy, yet I am still a female first.
-------------------------------------------
"It is the hacking cons! There are not enough females. We don't know how to behave!"
Fine.
I go to purchase my first new car, my fiance is there in order to drive the rental to be returned. i am the one who came for the test drive. I have to repeatedly ask them to speak with me. Their attention, information, conversation, and questions are posed AT HIM. I am paying, I am signing the paperwork, I researched and test drove this car!
-------------------------------------------
psychological schema - a rule of thumb your brain uses to process the world, makes things easier but, is this something you have systematically proven by talking to women at hacking events or is it anecdotal, things you have heard or seen one or two of and then had source amnesia?
------------------------------------------
Comparatively, a guy shows up to a hacking event
dressed goth, jeans t-shirt, suit tie, punk, leather...
you might make inferences about that man
"slacker kid" "the man" "fed" "straight" "gay"
but you don't assume he isn't there for the con
isn't anyone seeing the difference?
you don't think "oh that guy is attractive, he must be dumb" but it is ok to assume a hot girl will not be intelligent?
------------------------------------------
Issue: (white) men get to stand individually
their actions don't affect the schema held for their race or gender
They do not receive white or male as a descriptor because it is assumed being white and male are the default
My accomplishments are insulted "that's amazing for a girl" "that's hot for a girl"
I gain the modifier "FEMALE" to my nerdiness, the my geekiness, to my hacking interest, to working in IT as a system administrator.
The need to comment: "I've never met a girl DBA before" "I've never met a competent female admin before" "when are you going to get married, have babies and leave us" must you call me out for being female? Is that a required modifier?
Would you call me out for being a different race?
"That's impressive for a black man"?
No, but i bet you have heard that.
you see me as dumber automatically, i fight to prove i am just as smart and i am lauded for being a smart girl, not smart, a smart girl, as opposed to the new guy who gets to prove his stupidity and starts with no modifier
every time you tell me "wow you knew that" in s shocked voice, it hurts
because you assume the boys knew it
I pickup the phone and customers want to talk to a tech when I've already introduced myself as windows admin, what they mean is they wish to speak to a male.
Studies show consistently I will receive less pay at work, and I have to prove myself competent instead of the assumption i am competent affording myself the opportunity to prove i am exceptional.
That is called a hostile workplace
it's not overt
it's not intentional
it's systematic "normal"
and i think it leads many females to succumb to the stress, pressure, and leave
the failure of one of us is held against us all
--------------------------
QUOTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
Stereotype threat is the experience of anxiety or concern in a situation where a person has the potential to confirm a negative stereotype about their social group.[1] First described by social psychologist Claude Steele and his colleagues, stereotype threat has been shown to reduce the performance of individuals who belong to negatively stereotyped groups.
-------------------------
QUOTE http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rethinking_Best_Practices_Talk_at_JavaOne
During a talk called "Rethinking Best Practices in Java EE 6" at JavaOne 2011, speaker Adam Bien showed a slide titled "Explain to an alien" (i.e. explain your project to someone who doesn't understand any of the context). He said "My first version of this was 'Explain it to a woman' but I got lots of criticism at the conferences (big laugh from the audience) and one talk was almost cancelled.. (more laughing) So I think “Explain it to an alien" is better.”
A female audience member asked him in the Q&A to apologize for the joke, and he did, but added "I was thinking of people who don't understand IT... My wife doesn't understand IT." In person and on Google+, male audience members complained to the woman who asked for the apology that she should "relax" and had made them "supremely uncomfortable."
-------------------------
I consider myself below average geek and nerd skill set, i can't quote star wars - but i have watched it many times, i can't build a character from memory of rules, but i can build one
yet I am lauded for being "good for a girl" "woah girl geek" - if i were male i would be shunned as not a true geek
I'm an object representing female geek
I am not me
It hurts me, it's insulting
in a nerd/geek/it culture where individualism is praised and lauded
--------------------------
i don't care if you think i am hot, sexy, smart
i care what those qualifiers, in you brain, modify me as to you because of my gender
-1 intelligence
-1 competent
-likely to want to spend time with family and not put in 100% at work
---------------------------------
by thinking before you act or talk, is the phrase "for a woman" in there - rethink it, and encouraging others to do the same
could we push less females out of technical majors
push less girls out of technical jobs
by making it comfortable to be there
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Date: 2011-12-20 08:52 pm (UTC)http://kotaku.com/5868595/nerds-and-male-privilege
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