tag:dreamwidth.org,2011-12-05:1124044 Come visit my bubble amazonv 2011-12-15T18:50:59Z tag:dreamwidth.org,2011-12-05:1124044:1050 2011-12-14T14:04:14Z 2011-12-15T18:50:59Z public 0 So I got asked if I really liked infosec<br /><br />This made me think - a guy would have never been asked that question<br /><br />Which made me think back to BSidesLV where a goon was asking me stuff, and i mentioned i was a D&D gamer, and he replied that meant I'd fit in fine - like I was arm candy<br /><br />And all the quips at HOPE, DEFCON, etc. that made me feel i needed to justify my presence<br /><br />reality begets expectations, as much as it is on occasion nice to be treated nicely b/c i am a girl, i'd rather be treated equally<br /><br />i'm not talking quotas, i'm talking speak with me the same way you would a guy about guy things<br /><br />unless you are hitting on me i guess<br /><br />At work there aren't many girls, in the tech side of the house<br /><br />Side note: <br /><a href="http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/11/nerds-and-male-privilege/#more-914">http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/11/nerds-and-male-privilege/#more-914</a><br /><a href="http://skepchick.org/2011/12/sacrificing-privilege/">http://skepchick.org/2011/12/sacrificing-privilege/</a><br /><br />Updates:<br />Clarifications from twitter argument<br /><br />I don't object to people making visual / sexual decisions<br />(she's hot, i'd bang that)<br />because i do tat too (he's hot)<br /><br />I don't object to people having opinions about clothes influencing their opinion of someone (show up at an interview at a formal corporation in jeans versus suit)<br /><br />The issue is when you automatically have a DIFFERENT valuation of a person based on gender<br /><br />i.e.<br />attending a gaming convention, dressed in jeans and a tshirt<br />if you think, for guy or girl, hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)<br />fine<br />if you think girl: arm candy guy: hey wonder what genre they play (console, pc, card, rpg, larp)<br /><br />that's where we have the problem<br /><br />people filtering by gender FIRST<br /><br />yes there are less girls in IT<br />no i don't mind the sexist humor<br />i mind when the customer keeps asking for a TECH after i explain i am a windows admin and would be happy to help<br /><br />UPDATE 2<br />"dressing like that is asking for it" gets into RAPE culture<br /><a href="http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-mens-magazine-and-a-rapist">http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-mens-magazine-and-a-rapist</a><br /><a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html">http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html</a><br /><br /><img src="https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=amazonv&ditemid=1050" width="30" height="12" alt="comment count unavailable" style="vertical-align: middle;"/> comments