Dec. 15th, 2012

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CT has the 5th toughest gun laws in the US.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/CT

from troy "right now, it appears all 5 firearms were purchased and registered legally by the mother. the shooter was 20, one has to be 21 to purchase or carry a handgun and it's illegal to transfer to under 21 outside a range. this most likely means the shooter obtained unsecured firearms in his own home which had complied with all strict gun laws/control imposed at the Federal and State levels."

Families of #VaTech shooting victims, survivors reach out to Connecticut families >>> http://bit.ly/SuWbCe

geez, now someone on @CNN is calling 9mm civilian handguns "extreme firepower" #facepalm

Talking to Children About Violence: Tips for Parents and Teachers http://www.nasponline.org/resources/crisis_safety/talkingviolence.pdf

Newtown mental health clinic offers help to Sandy Hook school community | The Lookout - Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/newtown-mental-health-clinic-offers-help-sandy-hook-212142317.html

Optum Offers Free Emotional Support Help Line for People Affected by Ct Shootings Affected individuals can call 866-342-6892

Helping Children Regain Their Emotional Safety After a Tragedy | http://www.kidpower.org/library/article/regain-emotional-safety/

Multiple mass killing across the world today, so sad. Is it like this daily and the news just doesn't bother to say? Everyone hug someone.

RT @rilaws: Be sure not to politicize this, guys. Politics have no bearing on real life, ever.

RT @d_seaman: A man assaulted 22 school children w/ a knife today in China - mental illness and human depravity not limited to West
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230

MT @sesamestreet: Here are some further resources to help parents & caregivers speak w kids about today's events. (PDF) http://bit.ly/TSE3Oc

@ERG1989 @eliash10 Let's ban killing people. Let's make that illegal.

Everyone keep the families and friends and town in your thoughts, no matter your believe on the cause or implications of this horrible event

Why don't violent crimes prompt discussions about violence glorification in media/society. Violence is too often seen as an answer/tool

Why don't violent crimes prompt discussion on better anger management and similar courses for students?

Why don't gun tragedies prompt discussion about enforcing current laws? Or improving access to good/cheap mental health?

Also, criminals are already breaking the law. Adding more laws doesn't stop them only stops honest citizens.

sad everyone is fussing about gun control again. it is tragic when people die / hurt but most gun crime happens in gun free/restricted zones

Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

many interpretations

but it has been proven in the judical system police aren't obligated to protect, but only to enforce laws
protecting your life - and freedom from murder, rape, etc. seems good to me

from Joe:
"Since the tragedy in Connecticut I have seen, and participated in, several "gun control threads". I have decided to create my own, and approach it with a different angle than I've seen elsewhere: Our gun laws need to be *consistent*.

First, let's clear up some historical "errors" I keep hearing stated. The "right to keep and bear arms" was a core founding principal in this country. The Founding Fathers considered it the highest Right needing to be protected, second only to the freedom of speech and religion. It does not now, nor has it ever had, anything to do with hunting. It was meant for personal defense and state defense. The moment you try to make hunting part of any argument, you lose.

Now, to my point. There is logic to having a society with very strict gun control, and there is logic to having a society with very loose gun control. If one accepts the premise that it is possible to keep guns from the hands of criminals, then the idea of
strict gun control is appealing to many, and that's what they strive for. If one accepts the premise that criminals will always have access to guns, then loose gun control laws appeal to many, and that's what they strive for. There is logic to both, and which one is "correct" depends very much on personal ideals.

Where the logic ends is the piecemeal system we have in place today. I don't think anyone would argue that it's very difficult to get a firearm in America today, so for my purposes here I will consider than an axiom. So, we now have an armed populace. It stands to reason that some of those individuals will have mental issues, causing these firearms to be used inappropriately, as has happened in numerous massacres. Why, then, do we set aside a location with our most precious and vulnerable citizens, children, and say "no guns allowed here"? Law-abiding citizens will honor this rule, and they will not bring firearms to that location. But to someone intent on causing as
much death as possible, this is an open invitation. They know that this is a location where they can go on a rampage, kill as many as possible, and no one will have the means to fight back. Many refer to this as creating a "kill zone" for the attacker. In most of these school incidents, the gunman took his own life as soon as he started meeting resistance. There's certainly no way to answer this, but how many lives could be saved if a janitor, visiting parent, or teacher could have put up even the slightest bit of resistance?

So, this is what I firmly believe: The debate of stricter or looser gun laws is a stupid argument to be having in regards to these tragedies. What we need to be asking ourselves is: Why are our gun laws so inconsistent?"

inconsistent gun laws get good citizens in trouble trying to keep up with the patchwork

VT shooting, VA loophole closed, he should have been reported and prevented from getting guns, now fixed

Theater shooting (batman) gun free zone

More guns equal more crime? Not in 2009, FBI crime report shows.

FBI's latest crime report, for the first half of 2009, shows America is a less violent place even though ownership of guns has surged. Deterrent effect may have a role, but others see no correlation.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2009/1223/More-guns-equal-more-crime-Not-in-2009-FBI-crime-report-shows.

Despite increases in gun sales, gun crimes continued to decrease in the United States for the fourth straight year in 2010, according to the FBI.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/#ixzz2F9yhaBqe

another call for the media to be more careful FBI profiliers agree, mass murder craves attention and we're giving it! http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/14w7lf/im_from_newtown_and_i_have_something_to_say_to/

from stew: "This [ct] guy killed himself; Oregon mall guy hid and killed himself; Aurora guy surrendered as soon as the cops arrived; VT guy killed himself when the cops showed up; Colorado church guy was shot down by a member of the congregation; AZ/Giffords guy was tackled, by a guy with a gun, while reloading after his extended magazine jammed."
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

Roger Ebert on Columbine:

"Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. ... The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

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